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Started 1 year ago by Ofaliss
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Ofaliss
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Why would you help make shit like this possible, George "geohot" Hotz?! Don't get me wrong, I don't give a crap about MW2, The game was infested with issues long before the PS3 was cracked, but this is the future of every popular online title on the PS3.

It was bad enough all the other systems had to deal with this kind of crap, but you couldn't leave it alone. Thank you, for making me not even want to get a PS3 anymore. I deal with this crap enough on the 360. Crap like this is the reason why I stopped playing GTA IV, and why I hate MW2 with a passion.

If a chicken bone somehow managed to find it's way in your throat, and cut off your airway, I would not feel any sorrow for you. I know that's wrong, but I'm a pretty heartless person. :P

Posted 1 year ago #
Shazbots
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I know man, I hate this fucking kids that call themselves hackers. Just because you can alter a games code it doesn't make you like Neo or something special and cool. It just makes a low life piece of shit with no damn skills. I hope this assholes DIE, damn games are ruin because of it. I pray to all the Gods that Killzone 3 will not be ruin by fags that plaque the servers with their dumb shit cheats.

Posted 1 year ago #
JeremyR
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Well, hacking pretty much ruined PSP multiplayer. So it's not like Sony didn't know this was possible.

Posted 1 year ago #
Shazbots
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@JeremyR

True, but PS3 was the only console that manage to keep this losers away for almost 4 years. Im praying that the trophies system is not hack to pieces.

Posted 1 year ago #
Takao
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Trophy hack was one of the first hacks that came from the PS3 exploits.

Posted 1 year ago #
Locke_VI
Member

Geohot and those failoverflow guys are a bunch of dicks. I especially dislike Geohot, he's a smug, know -it-all peiece of crap.
I guess lack of linux support was enough of a reason to ruin things for millions of people who don't give a shit about linux.

Posted 1 year ago #
Ofaliss
Member

@ Locke_VI

OMG, he is such a dick! He did an interview with G4 and they asked him what was next on his "hit list" (give me a fucking break), and he replies, "When does the PSP2 come out?", and then the little douche laughs!

People hide behind the, "you should be able to do with what you own", bullshit, and they think that's enough to warrant ruining the experience for the rest of us. I tell you what, buy a gun, go to a bank and blow someone's brains out, then rob it. Lets see if a judge will then say, "He's free to go. He owns the gun, so he can do whatever he wants to with it."

They fucked up when they let the little douche get away with jail breaking the iPhone, opening the door for him to think he's untouchable. Someone should hack his organs, see how he likes being tampered with. I know that doesn't really make sense, but I hate that bastard.

Posted 1 year ago #
thumbbandit
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It’s not the fact that they hack games and consoles (hey, if they want to… let them), It’s that they feel the need to share with the world (as some sort of ego-trip).

Don’t get me wrong there are those people who like to mod (good hackers, aka Moders), then there are the bad ones… hackers.

Posted 1 year ago #
SifJar
Member

Geohot and fail0verflow are getting a lot of hate here for no real reason. THEY didn't create the tools for cheating in games. They just pointed out a huge flaw in the PS3's security system. Games developers should know by now that a console's security system cannot be relied to prevent cheating, and that games should have preventative measures in place, as well as the servers run by the companies. Geohot et al have not ruined online play. Jerks have abused their work to do so. I am quite disgusted by some of the attitudes in this thread to be perfectly honest.

Posted 1 year ago #
Shazbots
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@Sifjar Dude come on dont excuse this fucking low lifes. They know that by hacking a system, they are opening the gates to cheaters and pirates. It ruins online games and the income of the people who make games. This people deserve an ass kicking, they are low life pieces of shit who cant act properly in society, so they rely on their useless skills to get notice and feel important.

Posted 1 year ago #
SifJar
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I strongly disagree. All these hackers are against piracy. If there was a way they could develop for free, without too many restrictions, most would not bother hacking. They don't want to have to hack, but they must if they wish to be able to run code on a device without paying a fortune for official SDK, and having to get "approved" to be able to obtain the SDK. They of course realise that hacking opens up to pirates and cheaters. But they do not actively help these jerks. They themselves are not these jerks. 99% of the proper hackers who actually get stuff working are against piracy. There's always one or two "hackers" (with inverted commas) who enables warez, for the fame it brings (jerks want warez, therefore worship the idiots who give it to them). But this is not the true hackers fault. They opened the system because it was very locked down. If it was less locked down, and homebrewers could write and run their own code (with some restrictions), piracy and cheating wouldn't be a problem.

Posted 1 year ago #
Carson
Member

Thank you for contributing a unique and not hate filled opinion SifJar.

The rest of you guy's who have posted here, please tone down on the profanity and hate, it's inappropriate, and immature.

There's really no need to be so black and white on the issue of homebrew. Yes, it enables people to play pirated and hacked games, but thats not all there is to it. It enables the thousands of videogame hobbyist out there something to work and play on. They can make the games and apps they want and play it on a console, free of charge, and distribute it for the price they want, which may be nothing at all.

Posted 1 year ago #
Locke_VI
Member

Sony did screw up their security, no doubt about that. But guys like Geohot hack systems just because they can.

Like thumbbandit said, if they want to hack their own consoles, fine. They can marry their PS3's and move to Bermuda for all I care. But they're hacking consoles and releasing the information knowing damn well that it will lead to piracy and cheating, and they just don't give a shit. Their own greed and lack of common sense is at fault.

I've invested a lot of my money in to my PS3, and these hackers have made it even more possible for the online experience to be ruined.

I don't hate the hackers or anyone else, and I certainly don't wish death on anyone. But I dislike them and what they have done, and I have no respect for them or their work. They've done more harm than good, and they're smat enough to know that.

I stand by my original comment: Geohot and those failoverflow guys are a bunch of dicks. I would dislike Geohot even if he had never touched the PS3, he's an arrogant jerk.

Posted 1 year ago #
SifJar
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Thanks for your maturity Carson, something somewhat lacking in this thread sadly. Just thought I'd also point out that many great games started out as homebrew/hobbyist games before making it big. For example, Worms I believe. And de Blob, which is a very good game, and received a reasonable response when it was released for the Wii (good enough to warrant a sequel at least), also started as a low budget, indy game. And there are numerous developers who started out writing homebrew code.

Homebrew gives developers a step onto the ladder, a chance to practice making games. It is costly and risky to attempt to enter the game development business. You need to know if your great idea will actually work with a particular console. And these developers don't have the knowledge or skill (yeah, it requires skill, not just knowledge) to hack a console to run their code, so they rely on others to help them by releasing their hacks.

Of course, I am not supporting nor condoning piracy or cheating, both are despicable in my opinion.

Posted 1 year ago #
blacklabgames
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Homebrew gives developers a step onto the ladder

Or, you download XNA Game Studion for free, and use a retail Xbox 360. Or use a PC with a gamepad. Or become a minis developer. None of these options are terribly expensive (especially compared to the cost of paying for a team of developers to make the game).

Before XNA and minis, I would agree that console development out of reach for most people, however that's no longer the case, and I respectfully disagree with the idea that hacking a console is necessary these days. (I didn't need to use a hacked console to get my game out).

L8r, Paul

Posted 1 year ago #
onmode-ky
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My view: you are free to use what you purchase how you see fit, within the bounds of the law. You can hack your own console. What these guys did after that, though, is socially irresponsible. While there is good that can come from releasing that knowledge to the world, it is obvious that the most widespread application of that information is negative. How much homebrew will actually see a lot of use besides emulators and backup enablers? And, what homebrew applications could you possibly write for your PS3 that would not be better suited on a PC (aside from illegal applications)? The drops of good that will come of this are both minimal and limited in comparison to the torrent of bad (and yes, that is an intentional play on the word's meaning).

Posted 1 year ago #
Carson
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You do make a point, Paul, but to put a counter-perspective out there, there are also limitations placed on both xbox indie games (I'd have bought a 360 largely due to indie games but you cant play them offline (I only have dial up at home)) and minis, and the cost of age ratings for minis can surpass $1000 (indie games have the comparably non-existent annual creator club membership fee of $100), which for some people (especially many hobbyists, I imagine), could be quite a discouraging barrier.

Posted 1 year ago #
sp3c
Member

isn't that the other way around?

it's is like saying burglars rob your house because there's a lock on the door ... there is a lock on the door because burglars rob your house
sure there may be one or two guys that genuinely want to do the dishes and feed the dog but the majority of unknowns entering your house when you are gone tend to take your stuff and possibly kick the dog

that's too bad for homebrewers but as said they do have options, yes they cost money but as Eric Cartman taught us, Anything that's fun costs at least eight dollars.

besides, you can allways start out on PC these days ... then there's the ever expanding Android/Iphone markets that aren't to expensive to get into

Posted 1 year ago #
Ofaliss
Member

@ Carson and SifJar

My feelings about geohot, and anyone like him are of dislike of an extreme nature. I'm not going to sugar coat how I feel, to make you feel like I'm mature. I do nothing but respect the people in this community, BUT, I'm not a child. I can and will use whatever language I feel I need to, to express my opinion. I can and will apologize to the people I have verbally insulted in this thread, once they apologize for opening Pandora's Box.

You guys may be satisfied with their, "I don't believe in piracy" drivel, but I'm not. These guys know what their work will lead too, and yet they release the codes anyway. I don't disagree that you can do what you want with what you own, but doing it for the sake of pride and not releasing it, would be a MUCH more honorable thing, than releasing it to be used in the way they know it will be. As people have said here already, it's not as hard or expensive as it was 10 years ago to make games, so I won't accept that sob story.

I don't just accept the first thing that is said to me for the sake of just having an answer. Them saying, I don't believe in piracy, is just as dumb of a defense as, If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. But since some of you find geohot to be a modern day OJ, or any other undeserving hero, you may disagree. And you know what, that's fine, you have the right to feel and say whatever you want to...and so do I.

Posted 1 year ago #
confuletlyf
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... I really like this site for it's reviews and news (and giveaways). The forums rock but when a thread becomes nothing more than just flaming it should be locked down and deleted.
The language in this thread is unneccessary.

It is too bad that they released the hacking tools to the public. Though I'm not at all surprised. After Sony removed the Other OS function on the PS3, there was bound to be a backlash. I'm still largely disappointed that they removed the backwards compatability.
The company could benefit greatly from some foresight. They should have overtaken the 360, but all the bad press (word of mouth) over the removal of functions seriously hurt interest in the system.

Posted 1 year ago #
Carson
Member

I'm not going to sugar coat how I feel, to make you feel like I'm mature. I do nothing but respect the people in this community, BUT, I'm not a child. I can and will use whatever language I feel I need to, to express my opinion.

I personally feel that maturity has nothing to do with the opinion being expressed but the way in which it is expressed, you dont need to swear to get your point across no more than a child needs to bang his hands and feet on a table when he doesnt like something he eats to get his point across. But if you insist on swearing at Geohot I suppose it's your choice to.

Oh, and I forgot to respond to this somewhat fallacious simile:

People hide behind the, "you should be able to do with what you own", bullfeces, and they think that's enough to warrant ruining the experience for the rest of us. I tell you what, buy a gun, go to a bank and blow someone's brains out, then rob it. Lets see if a judge will then say, "He's free to go. He owns the gun, so he can do whatever he wants to with it."

Anyone can tell you that jailbraking a console hurts no one in the way shooting someone in the head does. I dont deny that geohot should have done a better job with 'gun control', and illegal activity is always illegal. The 'you should be able to do what you want with what you own' argument really just says that when you buy a gun, you should be able to take the safety off, it is not intended to imply that where the bullet lands isnt the owners responsibility.
and yes that counter argument is somewhat fallacious too, as the ability to shoot the gun is it's purpose, but its a really bad metaphor you made. :)

Posted 1 year ago #
sp3c
Member

it's not taking the safety off!

it's modifying your rifle to full automatic in a country that only allows semi auto

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