Trax
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Sony has some titles developed for mobile phone, like Ratchet and Clank Going Mobile (and his canceled sequel), God Of War Betrayal, Locoroco Hi! and Ape Escape M.
This names are also famous...why Sony didn't consider a Minis version(of course remade in graphic and controls) of this games?
Isn't a good idea?
Carson
Member
lol, i hope English is youre secondary language, as you referd to Sony as "him" among other things.
but you make an excellent point, games like ratchet and clank going mobile should be a title on the psn, but we cant pretend porting games is something you just magically do (cell phones are different from the psp),
it takes a great deal of work, and since youve already got the original loco roco (+lr2 and the new one they made), god of war: CoO, multiple ape escape games, and r&c: size matters (in addition to secret agent clank) on the psp,
so the fans of the games already have titles to keep themselves satisfied.
also, are you sure those titles are developed by Sony's studios?
i doubt they are,
imo those studios usually produce big budget titles, like uncharted 2.
Trax
Member
lol, i hope English is youre secondary language, as you referd to Sony as "him" among other things.
but you make an excellent point, games like ratchet and clank going mobile should be a title on the psn, but we cant pretend porting games is something you just magically do (cell phones are different from the psp),
it takes a great deal of work, and since youve already got the original loco roco (+lr2 and the new one they made), god of war: CoO, multiple ape escape games, and r&c: size matters (in addition to secret agent clank) on the psp,
so the fans of the games already have titles to keep themselves satisfied.
also, are you sure those titles are developed by Sony's studios?
Zoibie
Member
"Sony is just a weird company. They're too big and too decentralized, and don't work together very well.
Why do they have a whole company (SoE) that mostly does PC games and only dabbles half-heartedly in consoles?"
Because SOE has nothing to with Playstation, they put games out for it but aren't responsible for anything else.
I think the reason is that for one thing, there isn't much demand, and secondly there are already full PSP games for those franchises
Trax
Member
I think the reason is that for one thing, there isn't much demand, and secondly there are already full PSP games for those franchises
1)This mobile phone's spin offs aren't famous(and this fact could be a good reason to remake them on Minis), but who has played them will be happy to replay them on PSP.
2)Yeah, but names like "God of War" or "Ratchet and Clank" could be an attraction for the Minis section(in facts many people don't even knows what is "Minis")
I believe a lot of it has to do with the language it's coded in. The mobile games were developed in Java, where as PSP development is done in C/C++ which makes things a lot more difficult if you want to port assets from one version to another. They might not see that there is an audience big enough to warrant remaking the titles.
That said, I'd love to see these 2D iterations of what one normally thinks of as a 3D franchise. If Mario can have various iterations in different planes, then so should our Sony heroes. For example:
Socom: Mobile Recon
God Of War: Betrayal
Ape Escape M
Ratchet & Clank: Going Mobile
With LocoRoco Hi:
I can see Sony just releasing another level pack for LocoRoco: Midnight Carnival, as the mobile edition does emulate the PSP iteration's looks well enough.
Anyone know of any other Sony IPs that have recieved Mobile exclusive iterations? While not Sony, I'd love for a bunch of the Mobile Final Fantasy spinoffs to make a way to the PSN.
Carson
Member
chocobo and moogle games on the psn would be awesome!!!
and id really like to see ff7:bc on the minis platform.
you make another excellent point with the games being made in different programming languages,
but seeing those screen shots really makes me want to play them, and taking the 3'd out of those games for psp is actually a good idea seeing as how the psp lacks a second analog stick, making it impossible to properly move the camera,
i think it would be awesome if sony experimented like that, especially seeing as how it cant be worse as sonys last batch of minis. :)
Trax
Member
In facts, Gameloft did port of games like GT Racing Motor Academy, Hero of Sparta, Asphalt 4 from JAVA to PSP,DSi or iPhone.
I repeat what I written in the last post:
names like "God of War" or "Ratchet and Clank" could be an attraction for the Minis section(in facts many people don't even knows what is "Minis")
Isn't this a good reason to do Minis remake of this games?
Major third party franchises with tonnes of mobile entries:
Metal Gear Ac!d Mobile
Metal Gear Solid Mobile
Resident Evil: Confidental Report
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil Uprising
Resident Evil: Degeneration
Resident Evil: Genesis
Resident Evil: The Missions
Silent Hill: Orphan
Silent Hill: The Escape
Kingdom Hearts: Mobile
Kingdom Hearts: Coded
Kingdom Hearts (V-Cast)
Final Fantasy's mobile entries are probably in the hundreds at this point, so listing them would be insane, lol.
I think minis are to give smaller developers a chance to make games. These licensed types of games are more suited for higher priced psn games.
Carson
Member
thats another good point (i agree completely), the minis platform really has the little guys (independent devs) in mind, giving them a chance to explore their ideas on sony's consoles,
things like ports of games featuring first party characters are,
imo, more suited for psn exclusives, as thats where sony games should go.
so trax, you still have a good idea in those games being made for psp, it just probably wouldent be best on minis
JeremyR
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I think minis are to give smaller developers a chance to make games. These licensed types of games are more suited for higher priced psn games.
Well, the trouble is, with the exception of your company (and couple others) smaller developers really aren't. How many Minis have been completely original titles? I think you can count them on one hand, actually. Most are ports from the iPhone or 360Indie Games or WiiWare. (Even one PS2 port)
Honestly, I think some decent competition from Sony would help produce better minis, not just iPhone shovelware (priced $2-6 more than on the iPhone). I mean, with a few exceptions, the PSP doesn't seem to be getting the good iPhone stuff, just the quick and easy stuff to port, I guess.
Also stuff like that would give people an incentive to learn about minis. I can't tell you how many times people ask "Can I play these on a regular PSP?" or "Can I play these on a PS3?". Heck, the Gameloft guy (in a recent Ars Technia article on minis) and Slitherine software guys (on their website) didn't seem to realize they could be played on anything but a PSPGo. Putting big name IP in the mini line could be an incentive for people to learn about it, how it works, and get them buying the games.
Agreed but making completely original titles in a quick time is not easy. These games sell for very little and it is hard to make money if lots of time is spent on them. From our point of view every game we have made has been solely for PSP minis, and I agree I want to see more of this. But it is a hard situation for devs, if an iphone game takes off the dev could get rich quick but I don't know if that would happen with a PSP mini as the user base is far smaller. So obviously a port is a much smaller risk than an original title.
"if an iphone game takes off the dev could get rich quick but I don't know if that would happen with a PSP mini as the user base is far smaller"
I'm starting to wonder if the term "mini" is doing more harm than good. The idea is solid, but people see mini and think, I'm not going anywhere near it.
iPone titles, Indie games, they all put the spotlight on small developer's making games, that hopefully turn a profit from the whole thing. But with the minis program, Sony doesn't put the spot light on the developer's, they just state that the program is for small and "cheap" games. Well the games aren't all that cheap, and they are rarely original to the point of excitement, no offense.
Booger
Member
I wish Sony will just make something like XNA and release it for the bedroom coders. Sure it will piss off the devs here whom I'm sure invested a lot to get the devkit, but I think that's the only way to make the Minis platform more viable. XBLIG seems to be finally taking off with some good original games. Right now as mentioned already besides a few exceptions what you see on Minis you have already seen on other platforms already. It would get much more serious cred to have some runaway successful hits which were 'born' on the Minis platform (then ported to XNA, App store, etc.)
I think if they they really open up the Android PSPhone with an open development environment that could be the first step... maybe then award Minis devkits to winners or something.
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