Why do you think alot of people still don't take minis seriously?

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Why do you think alot of people still don't take minis seriously?

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Started 1 year ago by Ofaliss
Latest reply from evanac

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Ofaliss
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This is going to offend some people, so I apologize now to any and all I offend.

Eveyday I come to this site to see what minis are being talked about. The minis we can't wait to get our hands on, and the minis we can't stop talking about. I've discovered it's the very things that we do talk about, and look forward to that make gamers not take minis seriously.

When the most talked about games are a shooter that no one but the developers can beat, or a RPG that has MAJOR lag issues (I'm guilty of that one), how can newcomers take them seriously? But that's not our fault.

I'll give Mediatonic credit, Who's That Flying, is a highly anticipated ORIGINAL mini, but most times we talk about games we can't wait to release on the minis roster, they're games that can be found ANYWHERE else, for CHEAPER.

When you look at the forums and you see that Vibes is the highest rated mini (the discussion is here folks, look for it), can you blame alot of gamers from thinking, "I'm staying away from those minis!". I'm not saying Vibes is a bad game, but it's not something you want as your poster child either.

What do you guys think?

Again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

Edit- I just saw the post on the Fighting Fantasy thing, So I may end up eating most of what I said! :D

Posted 1 year ago #
thumbbandit
Member

Hey Ofaliss, no worries man, you didn’t offend me. I’ve noticed that a lot of the lesser scoring minis seem to steal all the limelight, and those deserving of praise and acclaim for their originality and/or innovation are lost in a sea of obscurity… it has always been like this (as far as I know, sadly) in the gaming world.

I think there will always be a few minis (or any type of game for that mater) that will gather a cult following and get the acclaim (in a lesser extent, obviously) that they deserve, regardless of review scores or popularity. ;)

Posted 1 year ago #
evanac
Member

@Ofaliss

In a totally non-offended way, I'd respectfully point out that none of Laughing Jackal's minis (except FF, which you can get on iPhone, but even then it's made by a totally different dev and is not a port) are available on any other format.

We are doing Cubixx HD on PS3, but that's obviously got quite a bit more to it than the minis version.

I think thumbbandit's on the right lines. Lots of people seem to have it in for minis, so negative stuff (i.e. stuff about crappy games) is always going to be more newsworthy.

Regarding your (in fairness, legitimate at the time of writing!) comments about Ace Armstrong, hopefully the update will mean that most people can finish it! ;)

Mind you, maybe there's more talk about Ace here simply because I put the time in from the LJ side to keep things going - I like to think the game's not bad either, though! ;D

Posted 1 year ago #
thumbbandit
Member

@evanac
Ace is just that... ace, nice work guys. your game validates my point on cult games. ;)

P.S. I loved Cubixx… any chance of an update that adds different colours to the cubes core, to add a bit of variety to the levels. This was suggested by someone else on the forums before, but it’s still a great idea.

Posted 1 year ago #
Ofaliss
Member

@evanac
I was trying to word what I said carefully, because to some it would seem like I was taking a shot at Laughing Jackal. So thanks for not being offended.

@thumbbandit
I see your point man. Maybe we in the community should try to put a little extra spot light on the games that are highly original and highly entertaining, while still doing what we do now. Showing people minis can develop these cult followings.

Minis are still too unnoticed for my liking, and I don't appreciate people ignoring my little buddies!

Posted 1 year ago #
pspgamer01
Member

I wasted too much money on minis and I regret that alot!

Posted 1 year ago #
evanac
Member

@thumbbandit

If you want an updated Cubixx, there's this thing we're working on called 'Cubixx HD'... ;D

Posted 1 year ago #
onmode-ky
Member

Al, did you guys settle on that as the final name? Not even "Super Cubixx Deluxe Turbo HD Remix Director's Cut"? *sigh* And I'd so hoped for "Cubixx: The Wrath of Khan," too.

When the most talked about games are a shooter that no one but the developers can beat, or a RPG that has MAJOR lag issues (I'm guilty of that one), how can newcomers take them seriously?

I don't see what's wrong with that.

1) Talking about a super-difficult, hard-core scrolling shooter is about as "gamer cred" as it gets. It's also about as far from the original, casual-targeted Minis concept as it gets. Really, is it all that different from "Someone help me beat Modern Warfare 2 on the hardest difficulty" or "I just can't get that last Achievement in Halo: Reach"?

2) Talking about the shortcomings of an RPG is hardly an alien occurrence in a gaming-oriented forum. "Final Fantasy XIII is too linear." "The Last Remnant has severe technical issues." "Dragon Quest IX has a really awful character." How are those any more "gamer-serious" than "Zenonia on PSP has bad lag"?

As for the Minis I've looked forward to, they've all either been exclusives or were Minis before being ported elsewhere.

In short, I don't think the discussions in this forum reflect badly on Minis.

Posted 1 year ago #
pspgamer01
Member

I think I might buy zenonia but when does it come to Europe?

Posted 1 year ago #
pspgamer01
Member

and evanec can you answer my previous question?

Posted 1 year ago #
evanac
Member

Sorry, what was the question?

Posted 1 year ago #
volcane
Member

Minis are going to be huge one day and we will all be able to say:

"We were there at the very start man. You don't just understand what it was like. You had to be there man..."

;-)

Posted 1 year ago #
Ofaliss
Member

@onmode-ky
Since so many people still aren't buying minis, the few repeat posters on the Ace forums don't seem to garner you very many credits.

I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the lack of mini interest. What do you think the problem is?

Posted 1 year ago #
sp3c
Member

for me personally save for a few they don't really have enough personality for the lack of a better word

they don't really do anything special
it's just puzzle games or verticle shooters or platformers or whatever but there's no reason for me to pick them over more expensive full titles in the same genre that simply (seem to) offer a whole lot more bang for my buck.
I mean, I don't care what it costs but I'm never going to pick hero of Sparta over God of War Chains of Olympus

exceptions are games like monsters (probably) stole my princess.
it just looks and sounds interesting :D
young Thor or Freekscape have a lot of character as well

Posted 1 year ago #
Shazbots
Member

@pspgamer01 Why would you say that u wasted money on minis and that you regret it now? I have 24 minis and I only regret buying one 'Hero of Sparta' that game suck. There are good minis out there, we just need to stop porting so many of them from the iPhone. More original minis will vastly help the awarness of these games.

Posted 1 year ago #
blacklabgames
Member

How about this for a response to the OP : We live in a world of epic. Whether it's the latest epic blockbuster movies, a "groundbreaking" TV series, or the most expensive FPS ever made, we've been trained to associate mega-hyped epics with being "good" and "hot" and "awesome".

Minis aren't really epic though.

However that's not to say that they don't have their place, and can't be a valid and worthy form of entertainment. It's just a matter of a developers figuring out how to use the format in the best way possible.

As for iPhone games, and why they might be perceived as better than minis by some people...remember the stories in the early days (and even recently in the game of Angry Birds) of developers making *epic* amounts of cash for a weekend coding exercise???

L8r, Paul

Posted 1 year ago #
thumbbandit
Member

@volcane
Yeh, we WERE THERE!... MAN! LOL

@evanac
I'll get the updated version of Cubixx (cubixx HD) when you give me a PS3, as I don't have one. LOL
;)

Posted 1 year ago #
Yan Marchal - Sanuk Games
Member

Judging from the amount of user ratings they receive, "minis" do not seem to be less popular than regular PSP Games in the Playstation Store.

I would bet that in average they sell in similar numbers as regular PSP games in the Playstation Store (I don't have the info, I'm just assuming).

But then regular PSP games are priced higher, thus generating more value - and they also make many sales (if not most) from retail distribution.

Posted 1 year ago #
volcane
Member

It would certainly be very interesting to see the Mini & regular PSP game PSN sales figures. Does anyone have those?

Posted 1 year ago #
Ofaliss
Member

I wish I did volcane.

I know in the States, you can see a mini or two in the top 10, but not often enough for me to think they are selling on par with full PSP titles, even if full PSP titles are more expensive.

It's hard to tale when you don't have much to go on, I wonder why they closely gaurd game sales like that?

Posted 1 year ago #
evanac
Member

I can tell you from the limited and censored overall sales figures I've seen, that a few minis sell pretty well but the majority don't shift anything like even average PSN games. :-(

I think this might change if the free platform I talked about a couple of weeks back were introduced, but who knows! :-)

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