Nintendo jumps off the deep end, announces second analog + MH for 3DS

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Nintendo jumps off the deep end, announces second analog + MH for 3DS

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Started 8 months ago by Takao
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Takao
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It's hideous. I can't believe a company would do this to their consumers less than a year after its original release. I wonder how much of a pay cut Iwata's going to get now to make up for the inevitable revision with this thing in bay.

Anyways, the Famitsu article where this all went down (alongside Monster Hunter Tri G for 3DS):

The MH3 water elements that were absent from PSP's Monster Hunster Portable 3rd, also an expanded version of MH3, are in MHP3G. The game is said to have a slightly different control feel for its water segments, while still retaining the overall feel of 3's water play.

One new control feature will make use of the system's lower touch screen. By touching, you'll be able to make your character automatically turn to face larger beasts.

Other features mentioned in Famitsu include local wireless play and a new main cover monster named Blakidios (I'm not sure if this is a totally new monster of it it's from a past title -- the name doesn't come up in the Monster Hunter Wiki).

A release is planned for the end of the year, Famitsu reports. The game will be playable at Tokyo Game Show next week.

Vita am doomed.

AndriaSang

Posted 8 months ago #
Freelance
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Calm down, dude. Assuming this is even real, it's just a peripheral, an addon. Not something you actually need so I don't see what the big fuss is. I wouldn't get it unless an awesome game comes out that needs it.

Posted 8 months ago #
JeremyR
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I actually had a grip thing for my PSP-1000. Not to different from that. Except I had to duct tape it to the PSP for it to stick, otherwise it would come loose.

But yeah, if this isn't the nail in the coffin for the Vita, it's at least shut the door on the casket.

On the flip side, I was mostly just counting on the Vita as a way to play my PSP games. So...while it's a shame, I didn't have high expectations.

PS How long is your Neogaf vacation?

Posted 8 months ago #
Takao
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2 weeks so I get to miss both TGS, and the September 13th day of reckoning. Whoever gave me the unpaid leave must be a writer at 01net to know this was going down the same day I leave, lol.

I can see Vita doing well for itself if the rumors about MHP3rd HD are actually MHP3rd G with cross play with PSP owners who own 3rd.

I just really can't believe Nintendo is launching Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, and Monster Hunter Tri G all on 3DS this winter and Vita get's caught in the middle. Nintendo's going straight for the kill. I don't even know why they're this desperate, as having both Sony and Nintendo succeed is better overall, especially since it'll keep investors off the "Make iOS games! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL" tyrant.

Posted 8 months ago #
Ofaliss
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Wait, I don't get it. How does this put the nail in Vita's coffin? If anything, it makes the 3DS look like a bigger joke.

Posted 8 months ago #
Takao
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Uh, Monster Hunter sold 4 million units on PSP last December. Now that same Monster is on 3DS.

Posted 8 months ago #
confuletlyf
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I don't think this peripheral will hurt the Vita much, if at all. Companies are not going to expect consumers to go purchase this. So dual analog will be an afterthought instead of a feature.
More importantly, if I'm gonna play and shooter or dual stick game, I'm gonna want it to look good, not just be in 3D.

Also, how will this effect battery life? How accurate will it be? How are you expected to use the face buttons without touching the stick? AND, does anyone know if this is a true peripheral or just an alternate control scheme for the face buttons?

Posted 8 months ago #
chapnis
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Neither, Vita still looks awesome.

Posted 8 months ago #
JeremyR
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It's not the peripheral that will hurt the Vita, it's the losing Monster Hunter franchise to the 3DS.

MH is what made the PSP so popular in Japan. Sure other games sold okay on it, but nothing close to what MH did. And most the other games that sold well were Monster Hunter clones.

It's like how the PS2 got the Grand Theft Auto series. Or Tomb Raider back in the PS1 series.

If the Vita had MH on it, it would guarantee it would be a success at least in Japan. Maybe not elsewhere, which seems to have turned its back on traditional handhelds, but at least one country. Now it doesn't even have that.

Posted 8 months ago #
Takao
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Well, it's believed that eventually Nintendo will include the second analog nub in a 3DS revision so that it becomes standard.

The real thing that will hurt Vita is Monster Hunter going multi-platform. That series shot the PSP into the stratosphere in Japan, and now it's no longer exclusive to Vita, and even worse is that it's launching between Mario Kart (which sold like 6 million in Japan on DS, and stuff), Super Mario 3D Land (which can sell 2-4 million given it's a 3D Mario), and a new Monster Hunter (4 million last December on PSP) in Japan. Unless Sony has some god like game they haven't announced, it's going to be a blood bath in Japan this winter.

Posted 8 months ago #
Ofaliss
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Ok, it sold 4 million PSP copies. The Vita already had hype and it didn't need Monster Hunter to do it, so why is it that now the 3DS will blow it away with a game that can be downloaded and played on the Vita if you downloaded the PSP version?

Good job Nintendo for finally getting people hyped for a game. But after checking a few sites, people don't seem that hyped for the slider.

Posted 8 months ago #
Takao
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This is not the same game as the one that was released last year on PSP, and will be playable on Vita.

This is the next new Monster Hunter.

Posted 8 months ago #
JeremyR
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Probably the closest thing NA has to is it Call of Duty. This is the equivalent of the Wii U getting the next real game, while the PS4 simply gets to play the old Call of Duties from the PS3.

Posted 8 months ago #
Takao
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Or like Xbox 360 getting Metal Gear Solid 5 (yes, I know of Peace Walker) while PS3 just gets the HD Collection. Just the HD Collection.

Posted 8 months ago #
JeremyR
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Well, I don't think Metal Gear Solid is nearly as big. 4 million in Japan is like 15 million in NA

Posted 8 months ago #
Ofaliss
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So basically your saying the 3DS will out shine Vita because people are tools? Well I guess when you put it like that, I can see how Sony may be a bit concerned right now.

I still doubt it will effect Vitas perfomance in the long run, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Posted 8 months ago #
JeremyR
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What I'm actually saying is that the only country in the world that actually cares about traditional handheld gaming is Japan. The rest of the world, it's all about the iPhone.

A big reason for that is Monster Hunter. It's a phenomenon in Japan. Sort of like Pokemon for teenagers and adults. People get together and play it in person, each with their own handheld.

Posted 8 months ago #
Ofaliss
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I understand what your saying. I was referring to your, "while the PS4 simply gets to play the old Call of Duties from the PS3." and Takao's, "Or like Xbox 360 getting Metal Gear Solid 5 (yes, I know of Peace Walker) while PS3 just gets the HD Collection. Just the HD Collection.", comments.

People who think like that are not all that sharp.

Posted 8 months ago #
Takao
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I'm a bit confused as to what you're getting at. Do you think it's stupid for people to buy the platform where the next new game is going to be against the platform that just has old games?

Posted 8 months ago #
Ofaliss
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I think it's stupid to believe Monster Hunter Tri G is Monster Hunter 4, when it's just an expanded Monster Hunter Tri from what I can tell. And Tri didn't sell as well as Freedom Unite or last years Portable 3rd.

I always thought you purchased new systems to play new games, not 3D updates of games you've played dozens of times before on consoles you've already owned. Which is the bread and butter of the 3DS until Nintendo releases their new Mario, Mario Kart, Kid Icarus, Super Smash Bros, etc, etc.

Maybe that's why I'm having a hard time seeing it as the nail in the coffin.

Posted 8 months ago #
Takao
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Well, you see until Portable 3rd on PSP, each PSP game was simply a version of a console game. Monster Hunter Portable 2G, which is just an expanded version of a PSP game, which itself was a port of a PS2 game sold more than 3 million units in Japan.

As well, Monster Hunter has never been huge on consoles, it blew up on PSP. However, Tri is the best selling console Monster Hunter game.

Posted 8 months ago #
JeremyR
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Well, the first Monster Hunter that the PSP got wasn't really a new game, but simply a port. But it became insanely popular because it could be played with other people face to face.

That is the big difference between it and Tri on the Wii - you can't haul Wiis around. But Tri did very well for a console version of MH. Until the PSP came along, MH was never really a big series.

Posted 8 months ago #
chapnis
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So Nintendo capitalizing on something the PSP made popular?

Posted 8 months ago #
Joltrabbit
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Keep in mind the following:

1. You can play PSN games for PSP on your Vita.
2. Players are already used to playing Monster Hunter on a PSP.
3. When Sony said that PSP games playable on Vita would use the second analog stick, which games do you think they worked on first? Monster Hunter 3rd was one of the first to go to PS3 in HD.
4. Which system do you think is going to run Monster Hunter better? Which system will run the next gen version better?

Lastly: Wait until the game actually comes out! I'm stunned Monster Hunter didn't come out on a Nintendo handheld sooner.

Posted 8 months ago #
sniper712
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at least it's not a 3DSi or 3DSXL or something like that. for the record, people in Japan are more on the cooperative side instead of competitive so it's no surprise MH is popular there.

Posted 8 months ago #
onmode-ky
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While this will certainly give a massive boost to 3DS sales in Japan, I wouldn't count the PSV out yet in the region. There is a Monster Hunter of some sort coming to the PSV. While it may not be a new entry in the series, that, as noted above, is no reason to discount its likely popularity.

I don't think many other games will use the 3DS attachment, by the way. Well, if it manages to become pervasive throughout the userbase, maybe, but until that happens, I doubt it.

Posted 8 months ago #
sniper712
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my purpose for 3DS is mainly the classics, NES, GB, that sort of thing. PSV has potential for not just PS3 ports but PS2 as well (excluding original games for PSV), that's what I want, and maybe some PS1 games that should've been on PSN for a while. just thinking about those games on the go makes me giddy.

Posted 8 months ago #
milo128
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You guys do know that Vitas getting MH3rdHD (or something like that) that plays with PSP and PS3 players right? I'd go with the system that has the bigger online base personally. Also gotta love how everyone assumes the king will always be king in the video game market, after all we all know that the 64 destroyed the PS1, the PS3 destroyed the Wii and there were no systems before the NES.

Posted 8 months ago #
SifJar
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I'd say this pretty much confirms the rumours of the hardware revision including a second analogue stick. (BTW, this controller also has two extra shoulder buttons, essentially R2 and L2, don't think that's been mentioned yet...). However, I can't see it taking off in this form, it looks like it adds a fair bit of bulk to the device.

Posted 8 months ago #
Takao
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Yeah, but that's a PSP game that 4 million people in Japan played last year. It's also the same game that received a release on PS3 just 2 weeks ago in Japan and did 300k in its first week. This PS3 version with updated textures is supposedly the version the Vita game is based upon (so remember, it's a port of a PS3 game that's actually a port of a PSP game that's actually ported content from a Wii game which contained content from PSP, and PS2 games). The user rankings for this version are terrible, and it likely will not sell very well in the coming weeks. This Monster Hunter game has to be reaching saturation in Japan.

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