Do you think they should re-review Zenonia?

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Do you think they should re-review Zenonia?

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Started 1 year ago by Ofaliss
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poll: Do you think they should re-review Zenonia?
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Ofaliss
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I hate to do this to you Jasper, because I'm sure your the one who would have to re-review it.

People shouldn't have to go by a review that was written before the patch and a nonexistent review from IGN, to make up their minds on if they should buy Zenonia or not. Especially the people in Europe, they just got it and it deserves a better chance than it has now.

I know this is probably going to be a prelude to the, "Should they re-review Angry Birds?" thread, but fair is fair. Ace got a second chance at life, and it had no real issue other than being insanely hard when it got patched.

Posted 1 year ago #
snif
Member

No. This way you encourage developers to throw a game that is not polished, thinking that they'll patch it later and someone will re-review the game.

Posted 1 year ago #
Ofaliss
Member

I said the same thing about the Ace re-review, but Ace had something going for it that Zenonia doesn't have. Way more hype and acclaim than it deserved.

I will admit though, I have ulterior motives. The best way to get Gamevil to port Zenonia 2, is to have Zenonia sell well. I'm just doing my part to smooth over any bumps in the road. Also, the more success non SHMUPS have, the more developer's will take chances on something other than SHMUPS. I can't take another year full of the minis go to genre.

I'm a man of action, even if at times it makes me a hypocrite. I'll make a fine CEO one day! :D

Posted 1 year ago #
drzombiewilde5000
Member

I completely agree Ofaliss! I think this is a fun game, and it definitely desereves the re-review....and I also want part 2!

Posted 1 year ago #
Jasper Nikki
Moderator

Zenonia got a "fix", not an "update". It does not offer new content (Coconut Dodge) or receive a system overhaul (Hammer Wars) to warrant a re-review.

Posted 1 year ago #
onmode-ky
Member

Ace Armstrong had hype and acclaim? . . . From whom? I can think of only one positive review for the game, which was a German website. Perhaps . . . you meant I talk about the game too much in here?

I don't think what Snif said could be applied to Ace, incidentally. The game was polished and did not have bugs that had to be fixed; it was simply too hard (and awkwardly controlled) for the casual player of shooting games.

Posted 1 year ago #
Ofaliss
Member

Jesus, onmode-ky! From when the game was first announced, up until after it was patched, Ace was all I saw in the recent forum post, I assumed the community had turned zombie and started to follow a false savior, but that was you?!

To be honest, I was against the re-review for Ace because I was tired of seeing the words, Ace and Armstrong!

Well with that being said, I guess it's fair that Zenonia won't be re-reviewed. I still feel the need to try and help it get more sales though. I REALLY want to play Zenonia 2 on something other than a phone.

Posted 1 year ago #
thumbbandit
Member

I voted YES.

@Jasper Nikki
I'll have to disagree with you in regards to '(age of) Hammer Wars'... they actually removed content (about half the levels), and, at the same time kept all the bugs that made the game (almost) unplayable the first time round.

So in reflection, what did they ACTUALLY do?

They changed:

The name (they added ‘age of’ to the title… most likely a ploy to bump it to the top of the list on the PSN… unsuccessfully I might add)

The amount of levels (about half were removed)

The control system (from god awful to really bad)

I don’t know what version you played for the re-review… I don’t think it was the same steaming, turgid pile of CENCORED… OMITED FOR OBSENITY that I completed.

P.S. 'Hammer Wars' only got fixed (yeh, if you'd even call it that) also.

P.P.S. This is not an attack on you... or what you said... these are my observations only... nothing more.

Posted 1 year ago #
Jasper Nikki
Moderator

I didn't play the original version and had to based my re-review on Maura's review. Meanwhile, the versions differ a lot, if it's not for the better it's for the worse (like you are saying). Still, it does not change the fact that Zenonia is still the same title as it was released. Zenonia is still the same game but playing on a better framerate.

Posted 1 year ago #
volcane
Member

I think that for those games that have received a patch/update that considerably changes the content and/or gameplay in some way then a re-review is warranted.

However for those games that have been patched with a minor (but still important) update that fixes issues and bugs without drastically changing the nature of the game, then perhaps just a simple edit line could be added to the end of the existing review to state what the update addresses.

Posted 1 year ago #
Carson
Member

I'm not entirely sure it's the type of update (bug fix, or content expansion) that should warrant a re-review, but how different (/improved) the experience may be. (which is arguable, but then again, reviews are opinionated)
So in the case of Zenonia, a game in which Jasper's review greatly criticizes its technical problems, I think there should be as little as a paragraph (or even a sentence) acknowledging that a problem he had originally, has been fixed (if indeed it has), and a score greater than 6 should be assigned since it appears that frame rate did make a negative contribution to the score.
Of course, this is Jasper's decision (and opinion) in the end, and if he say's he feels the change doesn't warrant a re-assessment, then that's that.

Posted 1 year ago #
ChaosRandom
Member

I've been saying for weeks that it should be re reviewed. I don't see how Jasper can say no. You mean to tell me the frame rate had nothing to do with a score of 6? Come on Jasper. The game is great. I don't understand your reasoning behind this. If the game had released with no frame rate issues and no item combine bugs, would you have gave it a 6? That's all I'm asking.

Posted 1 year ago #
confuletlyf
Member

not sure a full rereview is neccessary, but i voted yes.
the framerate issue has apparently made a huge difference in gameplay

still waiting for a price drop myself.

Posted 1 year ago #
Jasper Nikki
Moderator

I don't have problems with adding a paragraph that states that the game received a patch hence the game is much improved. The reason I don't want a re-review *fully* Zenonia and assigning a new score is, it will be unfair to every Mini that is reviewed out of the gate. There are Minis out there that received a patch that fix things (that we basically don't have a knowledge about) and we didn't re-review.
I know this is a bad example, Final Fantasy XIV, I don't think it will be re-assessed by major game reviewing sites because it will receive an overhaul (which, fortunately, we do here in PSPminis.com).
Vampire: The Masquerade-- Bloodlines was criticized for being buggy out of the gate. It did receive a patch which greatly improved everything but most of the reviewing sites didn't revert their statements because if we do this, we might as well play betas and review it and then re-review the retail. But it is a full-priced game, right?

Posted 1 year ago #
Ofaliss
Member

It seems we are reaching a middle ground. I'll be more than happy with an added paragraph, that goes into brief detail stating if the patch fixed the framerate issues or not.

We as members of the site, can tell as many people as we like the game is indeed better, but alot of people just respond better to reviews.

Posted 1 year ago #
ChaosRandom
Member

Ofaliss is right ya know. I always read a review before I buy a mini. There's only a few exceptions like when a game is a no brainer for me. Ass for $2 was a no brainer.

Posted 1 year ago #
DarthDanMan
Member

I like the way this turned out and I completly agree with Carson.

Posted 1 year ago #
Nexus Prime
Member

I agree with a "patch note" being added to the review.

Posted 1 year ago #
lucidamea
Member

new review - new knowledge :)

Posted 1 year ago #
JeremyR
Member

On the flip side though, if you don't adjust the review, what's the incentive (other than being nice) for a developer to go and fix bugs or slowdown issues?

Strictly speaking, they don't have to. And while most Minis developers have been very good at this, there have been a number of regular PSP titles that were very buggy or featured horrible slowdown, and were never fixed. Even when they went up on PSN. (PuzzleQuest is the best example of this)

Posted 1 year ago #
HiddenAway
Member

The PSN version of Puzzle Quest had the companion bug fixed :)

It does mean though that you can't use your UMD save games - different product codes

Posted 1 year ago #
confuletlyf
Member

I didn't know about that save game issue Hidden. Though I'm not trading my UMD version of puzzle quest, stun glitch is amazing ^.^

Just because some outlets choose not to re-evaluate titles doesn't mean that should be the norm. Major outlets only review once because all they care about is traffic. Rereviewing will not bring any extra hits, only people that are already at the site and looking at the game will find the information useful. I didn't think pspminis was strictly about the dollar.

I do agree, now, that rereviews should be sparse. You're right Jasper, we should expect developers to catch major issues prior to release. (I'm still curious as to what they ran the port on, if they didn't see the lag, nor had the item combine issues)

When you add the update, could you place the note at the top of the review as well as the bottom? The few reviews I've seen updated only post the change at the bottom. If I were to only get halfway through a review I wouldn't know that some of the complaints with the original game had been fixed.

Posted 1 year ago #
ChaosRandom
Member

Ok, then why does A$$ for $2 get a spot on the homepage that says there was a patch made? If I missed one for Zenonia then I apologize, but I never saw one. If people saw that Zenonia had issues corrected they might be more interested in it. Just saying.

Posted 1 year ago #
Jasper Nikki
Moderator

@chaosrandom,

Because the developers mentioned their patch in the forums. Besides there are no news items in this site stating that X minis is having a patch. We don't know anything about them in the very first place nor the details of the patch (that's why we can't post news items about certain patches that we don't know the details about).

This is why I don't want re-review. There's a lot of minis out there getting patched and we don't do anything about it. The patch of A Space Shooter for 2 Bucks has new content (minor one) and bug fixes, Zenonia doesn't have the former but I doubt this ASS for 2 Bucks warrants a re-review. I'll put a note on the Zenonia review but still, I wont re-review it again nor change the score it got. The review is about the product out of the gate (do I have to emphasize this even farther?).

Fortix, Vibes, BreakQuest, EVERY PATCHED MINI should be re-reviewed if we allow Zenonia to be re-reviewed. Heck, I'd even re-review Angry Birds because it got a patch.

This thread boils down to one thing, you all like Zenonia with passion that's why you want a re-review for it. I couldn't find anyone here requesting a Vibes re-review because it also, by the way, got patched.

Posted 1 year ago #
Jasper Nikki
Moderator

I don't have a grudge on Zenonia or something and I even believe that the game is excellent. A re-review of Zenonia is just walking out of the path on how PSPminis.com review Minis, we just don't re-review games with bug fixes, only those whose patch add new content.

Posted 1 year ago #
onmode-ky
Member

Sorry to go off topic for a moment, but I forgot to respond earlier:

Jesus, onmode-ky! From when the game was first announced, up until after it was patched, Ace was all I saw in the recent forum post, I assumed the community had turned zombie and started to follow a false savior, but that was you?!

It was me, a couple of other forum members, like HiddenAway, and some of the Laughing Jackals. We were discussing tactics, level design, and update wishlist items. Just typical stuff about any game, but a rather voluminous amount, due to the degree of detail involved.

Posted 1 year ago #
volcane
Member

The review is about the product out of the gate

I suppose this comes down to what service reviews are intended to provide.

Like most people, sometimes I buy games that are brand new and sometimes I buy games that were released years ago that for whatever reason I didn't buy at the time. Before buying I typically read a couple of reviews to aid my buying decision. A review will be more useful for me if it is up to date and tells me what the game is like to play now and not just what it was like to play when it was first released/reviewed.

Posted 1 year ago #
Jasper Nikki
Moderator

@volcane

So, every mini with a patch should be re-reviewed?

Posted 1 year ago #
ChaosRandom
Member

If it drastically changes the game, then yes. Whether its new content or bug fixes. Simple question Jasper, do you think it deserves a score of six as it is right now? It just seems like there should be a way to handle situations like this. Oh and just so you know, I dont play Vibes and didnt know it received a patch.

Posted 1 year ago #
Jasper Nikki
Moderator

Oh and just so you know, I dont play Vibes and didnt know it received a patch.

Now, that you know it, would you actually demand a re-review of it? It also got a patch.

Do you think A Space Shooter for 2 Bucks should have a re-review?

Do you think Angry Birds needs to be re-reviewed?

I'm just being fair with other Minis which received a patch that didn't get a re-review. Simple as that.

Summary:

We don't re-review Minis with bug fixes, only those whose patch add new content.

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